tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post4320947228598881178..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: Dirty tricks or caveat emptor?RevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-74207836701455418922014-07-17T11:50:37.105+01:002014-07-17T11:50:37.105+01:00Actually, I've just had a discussion in work a...Actually, I've just had a discussion in work about this with an interesting "logical" outcome. The right of registration is linked to the registrant of the .co.uk domain, not the domain name itself. So, as much as this feels completely wrong, legally it looks to be right, as selling the .co.uk would mean a registrant change and the right of registration is then lost.<br /><br />There's still a loop-hole in my opinion though, and that is due to the fact that the point of sale and the change in registrant/transfer of the domain on the Nominet database is not atomic, allowing the seller to register the .UK version before releasing the .co.uk one to the buyer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04898261033610250752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-57187027879387509732014-07-17T11:23:38.477+01:002014-07-17T11:23:38.477+01:00In my view, this is fraud and deception on part of...In my view, this is fraud and deception on part of the seller. At the exact point of sale of the .co.uk domain, the seller has given up all rights to that domain, including the right to register the .UK version. Thus, if their intent is to register the .UK version before releasing the .co.uk one (the scenario you have described here), that is fraud and deception. If Nominet then take the .UK registration request from the seller, and act upon it, they are also guilty of committing fraud as they are acting on behalf of the seller. Obviously, Nominet are only going by what their WHOIS database is telling them, but in my opinion, that's their problem (something they should be validating as part of their duty as a responsible domain registry), as the seller has not been sold the full features of the .co.uk domain in its entirety eg. the .co.uk itself, and the optional ability to register the .UK version if they so wish.<br /><br />If I was to pass judgement of such a case in court, this is how I would see it. Whether our legal system sees it in the same way, I have no idea (I'm no legal expert).<br /><br />Obviously, if the seller registers the .UK version before any sale has occurred, then there is clearly no longer an issue - seller now owns two versions of the domain, which are no longer linked in anyway and have become two independent domains and can be sold separately from each other.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04898261033610250752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-79220753988994344582014-07-16T19:30:43.647+01:002014-07-16T19:30:43.647+01:00Yep, I even checked with Nominet that what I propo...Yep, I even checked with Nominet that what I proposed to them was OK, (i.e. that they buy the .uk then sell it to us) and they said it was fine. Sadly they didn't want to sell it.Alexis Threlfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792447399167532389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-19824802210339958102014-07-16T18:19:45.714+01:002014-07-16T18:19:45.714+01:00I was amused by Nominet ISP FAQ on this. It was &q...I was amused by Nominet ISP FAQ on this. It was "if my customer with a .co.uk does not want the .uk can I register and transfer it?" answer "No".<br /><br />Well that is wrong. You can do a deal with the .co.uk owner to say that you register the .uk (in their name) and then buy the .uk from them, if you want. It is not difficult.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-81233290685899233972014-07-16T18:17:26.086+01:002014-07-16T18:17:26.086+01:00The whole 5 year delay for .uk's is annoying. ...The whole 5 year delay for .uk's is annoying. $Client wants the .uk version of their acronym, the .co.uk is held by a semi-governmental body, who don't want to sell it, or the .uk. All they can do is wait 5 years, but that seems excessive, a year would be enough IMHO.Alexis Threlfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792447399167532389noreply@blogger.com