tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post5345292403494519572..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: OFCOM - plot thickensRevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-74371686416281881272017-07-06T18:00:12.643+01:002017-07-06T18:00:12.643+01:00I'll get someone on to that - but AFAIk there ...I'll get someone on to that - but AFAIk there is still no definitive reference one can rely on for this data.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-87946162232753596632017-07-06T15:58:37.747+01:002017-07-06T15:58:37.747+01:00Now that you are aware that twenty additional pric...Now that you are aware that twenty additional price points were added a year ago, on 1 July 2016, will you be updating the A&A price list to match?<br /><br />Numerous number ranges have changed to one of the new price points since that time.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-68925925319319530212017-03-22T15:53:44.805+00:002017-03-22T15:53:44.805+00:00Virgin Media also appear to be unaware of the addi...Virgin Media also appear to be unaware of the additional price points. Their detailed tariff list makes no mention of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-87330476165228854762017-03-22T15:50:31.735+00:002017-03-22T15:50:31.735+00:00Well quite - with an OFCOM rule to get it right, i...Well quite - with an OFCOM rule to get it right, if they have an error and someone relies on them, and OFCOM fines someone for making a mistake, who pays the fine. This is why OFCOM need to make an OFFICIAL source for the data.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-41744771353002839672017-03-22T15:47:45.833+00:002017-03-22T15:47:45.833+00:00I guess it's as official as anything else out ...I guess it's as official as anything else out there. It tallies with what BT lists.<br /><br />This blog details the additional price points added on 1 July 2016:<br />http://plumcom.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/new-non-geographic-service-charges.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-23997521371314250272017-03-20T14:58:55.820+00:002017-03-20T14:58:55.820+00:00And that is an official source?And that is an official source?RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-40870136891110363072017-03-20T14:57:26.829+00:002017-03-20T14:57:26.829+00:00The FCS-sponsored list at http://checkit.uboss.com...The FCS-sponsored list at http://checkit.uboss.com/ appears to be an attempt to fix that issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-75107424460053331802017-03-20T14:20:29.348+00:002017-03-20T14:20:29.348+00:00AFAIK OFCOM never solved the issue of actually fin...AFAIK OFCOM never solved the issue of actually finding a definitive list or prices and codes. So what did they expect?RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-49543144151059253002017-03-20T14:14:01.884+00:002017-03-20T14:14:01.884+00:00Both the A&A price list and prefix list make n...Both the A&A price list and prefix list make no mention of any of the price points from SC080 to SC100.<br /><br />The additional twenty price points SC081 to SC100 came into effect on 1 July 2016, exactly a year after the introduction of unbundled call pricing for 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers.<br /><br />Although some of the price points apply only to 09 prefixes and/or 118 numbers, several are also used on various 084 and/or 087 prefixes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-26884953578691642582017-03-17T15:27:51.660+00:002017-03-17T15:27:51.660+00:00Some, non premium, yes, not sure specifically of S...Some, non premium, yes, not sure specifically of SC081 or SC100 though.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-40481779576412843232017-03-17T15:27:01.139+00:002017-03-17T15:27:01.139+00:00Does A&A route calls to 084, 087, 09 and 118 n...Does A&A route calls to 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers that use Service Charge price points SC081 to SC100?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-19423964802624399692015-07-07T00:04:59.181+01:002015-07-07T00:04:59.181+01:00Are the intermediate carriers even bound by the Of...Are the intermediate carriers even bound by the Ofcom GCs given they're not serving any end users?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535977952530779134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-81666230392474945562015-07-06T14:47:46.071+01:002015-07-06T14:47:46.071+01:00And worse! If my caller is retail they have to cha...And worse! If my caller is retail they have to charge the SC. If my caller is business they could change me more than SC. If my caller is another CP and their caller is retail I have to charge my caller SC, and so I would expect to pay less than SC. I could have all three types of customer.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-50052628915639873452015-07-06T14:46:39.729+01:002015-07-06T14:46:39.729+01:00Alex, absolutely - I don't make these crazy ru...Alex, absolutely - I don't make these crazy rules.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-48323870976120101802015-07-06T14:19:39.564+01:002015-07-06T14:19:39.564+01:00But at that point wouldn't you have to somehow...But at that point wouldn't you have to somehow tell the carrier if the end caller was a consumer (so the rules applied), or a business so they don't - I suppose could be done with e.g. a SIP header but still crazy...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535977952530779134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-28728382811511203072015-07-06T14:14:33.345+01:002015-07-06T14:14:33.345+01:00Yes and no - the rules define the service charge a...Yes and no - the rules define the service charge as being what I pay the next carrier, and then define that the service charge is a fixed charge regardless of retail CP, so those definitions make it a rule that the wholesale/next CP charge me as the final retail CP the defined service charge... The carriers we are talking to are a tad concerned about this!RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-63077100116320859962015-07-06T14:09:38.302+01:002015-07-06T14:09:38.302+01:00But the rules only apply to consumers don't th...But the rules only apply to consumers don't they - as such you paying another carrier for a call is a B2B transaction so the rules don't apply and the carrier can charge what they like, just as you could if the end customer is a business...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535977952530779134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-53911787568090407592015-07-06T12:46:33.433+01:002015-07-06T12:46:33.433+01:00Indeed, it is the access charge to another carrier...Indeed, it is the access charge to another carrier which does not fit OFCOM rules. They define access charge *only* as the final retail CP access charge. So we have an issue with carriers trying to charge us something other than the service charge... All fun.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-47379515691922051122015-07-06T12:36:33.078+01:002015-07-06T12:36:33.078+01:00The way that we see it working is even more compli...The way that we see it working is even more complicated. We are a telco much like yourselves but we also have our own BT interconnects so we see what happens at the other end of the chain as well.<br /><br />So assume that we send the call via carrier A which then sends it through to BT who forward it on via a BT interconnect to carrier C.<br />Carrier A pays BT the service charge.<br />BT invoice carrier C for the transit charge to carry the call over their network.<br />Carrier A bills us for the service charge plus an access charge.<br />We bill the customer for the service charge and our access charge which is calculated to include the allowance for carrier A's access charge.<br /><br />It is carrier A applying an access charge to another carrier which does not seem to meet the OFCOM regulation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com