tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post7474950868549534048..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: FTTC: Wires only or not wires only?RevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-84936751170166184962013-07-03T12:45:16.041+01:002013-07-03T12:45:16.041+01:00It trashed my blog so I won't bother. Thanks a...It trashed my blog so I won't bother. Thanks a bunch.VMturbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17213815123389897544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-56181476882491445132013-07-03T12:43:15.931+01:002013-07-03T12:43:15.931+01:00Engineer visits sound expensive so for the time be...Engineer visits sound expensive so for the time being I will soldier on with ADSL. <br /><br />Allegedly the nearest FTTC cabinet to my property is Bude P8 but exactly where this cabinet is located remains a mystery.<br /><br />This means that at present going FTTC is like buying a pig in a poke as without knowing the distance still being run in copper, the uplift is difficult to deduce.VMturbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17213815123389897544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-89494617202965355242013-05-08T16:07:59.691+01:002013-05-08T16:07:59.691+01:00I know, by default, the Echo Homelife FTTC modems ...I know, by default, the Echo Homelife FTTC modems provided by Openreach have modified firmware which stops the End user from accessing logs. But does anyone remotely have access to these logs: such as Openreach, Wholesale, the SP or nobody?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13423746165677757496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-39461014514790400042013-04-29T15:35:11.240+01:002013-04-29T15:35:11.240+01:00You've rather missed the point here - it's...You've rather missed the point here - it's not "adding more hardware to simply finger point", it's adding more hardware to cause *less* finger pointing.<br /><br />With the Openreach modem, BT Wholesale can check the entire service end to end for any faults - including at the modem. There's no argument from them. BT can control and monitor the whole circuit end-to-end.<br /><br />On the other hand, when you have ADSL with a customer/ISP-supplied modem they are extremely happy to say "we can't see anything wrong, it must be the customer's/your equipment". This then means that the customer either has to buy a new router or the ISP has to supply a new one, causing a further delay. In this case, BT can only see and test one end of the circuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-24767785134316648972013-04-24T11:02:42.070+01:002013-04-24T11:02:42.070+01:00I could agree if (a) adding another box didn't...I could agree if (a) adding another box didn't add complexity and therefore surely contribute to the risk of failure and (b) if the BT box supported some basic monitoring stats or offered SNMP. Without hacking the box it's not possible to see line conditions and potentially pre-empt a failure.<br /><br />Adding more hardware to simply finger point; hmm - not a compelling argument!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358906626130275959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-71300675290062371252013-04-23T12:55:04.015+01:002013-04-23T12:55:04.015+01:00Heat from the current chipsets may be a problem. B...Heat from the current chipsets may be a problem. BT already had to replace a lot of early models of the vdsl modem with a new revision.ppiixxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11379117381602539696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-21602526910574120452013-04-23T10:57:38.641+01:002013-04-23T10:57:38.641+01:00Technically it belongs to BT, but they haven't...Technically it belongs to BT, but they haven't bothered collecting them (which echoes the situation with the squashed frog back in the day).<br /><br />Sell it on ebay? They make fairly decent ADSL modems too when the firmware is unlocked.<br />Tony Hoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485210895681350152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-37338404872607660682013-04-22T20:57:08.009+01:002013-04-22T20:57:08.009+01:00Well, Openreach could start by being more efficien...Well, Openreach could start by being more efficient so that when there's a simultaneous provide they actually only visit the customer once, not twice :( That would save them some money and it would also help if they actually told the customer or you about the second appointment.<br /><br />The new style faceplates could be a customer fit for those with an NTE5, although it would be nice if they weren't about a foot deep!<br /><br />Oh, and anyone know what to do with a spare BT VDSL modem? I've got one sat in my study doing nothing all because it's almost impossible to switch providers on an LLU line without a long loss of service. Fixing that would save a lot of money too (and engineer visits).<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07625353381741797754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-69267616341688598722013-04-22T13:23:52.416+01:002013-04-22T13:23:52.416+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrue Copehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749262069532998563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-51945442735231514972013-04-22T13:23:48.814+01:002013-04-22T13:23:48.814+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrue Copehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749262069532998563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-32251515342340143772013-04-22T13:23:23.617+01:002013-04-22T13:23:23.617+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrue Copehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749262069532998563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-65965832126112968462013-04-22T13:11:17.831+01:002013-04-22T13:11:17.831+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12787789484249396560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-49887850760134569642013-04-22T13:11:01.267+01:002013-04-22T13:11:01.267+01:00+1 on BT provided VSDL kit (modem and face-plate f...+1 on BT provided VSDL kit (modem and face-plate filter) for all the reasons discussed. The only potential issue I can foresee is where it isn't practical to install the VSDL modem in the location of the master socket.<br /><br />It would be good to have the option of an engineer assisted install as well. The FTTC line we had installed at a remote site last week failed the line-tests until the BT chap resolved a mis-wired alarm connection on the BT side of the master socket. <br /><br />Our firewall (that supports PPPoE) is now connected directly to the BT kit. This has allowed AAISP to recover the redundant /30 subnet previously used between our firewall and the AAISP provided ADSL router.<br />David Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12787789484249396560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-66761320694342657832013-04-22T13:00:39.259+01:002013-04-22T13:00:39.259+01:00Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE ...Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE would be nice - power the whole VDSL modem / router+wifi+switch from a single socket instead of numerous wall-warts everywhere. That would also simplify UPS installation where the master socket is some distance from your datacabinet - UPS powered PoE switch in the cabinet with the VDSL modem in the master socket powered directly from it.Steve Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09798286430189689578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-58500700180503364712013-04-22T12:55:37.506+01:002013-04-22T12:55:37.506+01:00Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE ...Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE would be nice - power the whole VDSL modem / router+wifi+switch from a single socket instead of numerous wall-warts everywhere. That would also simplify UPS installation where the master socket is some distance from your datacabinet - UPS powered PoE switch in the cabinet with the VDSL modem in the master socket powered directly from it.Steve Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09798286430189689578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-21904062753142004482013-04-22T12:55:24.882+01:002013-04-22T12:55:24.882+01:00Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE ...Line powered would be ideal, but failing that PoE would be nice - power the whole VDSL modem / router+wifi+switch from a single socket instead of numerous wall-warts everywhere. That would also simplify UPS installation where the master socket is some distance from your datacabinet - UPS powered PoE switch in the cabinet with the VDSL modem in the master socket powered directly from it.Steve Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09798286430189689578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-73009986838697638092013-04-22T11:39:43.895+01:002013-04-22T11:39:43.895+01:00I suspect "line powered" is an issue, bu...I suspect "line powered" is an issue, but certainly something with a power jack on the master socket could be done - chipsets are getting really small.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-17816458755877453842013-04-22T11:09:10.996+01:002013-04-22T11:09:10.996+01:00How feasible would it be for BT to be able to prov...How feasible would it be for BT to be able to provide a line-powered VDSL master socket faceplate with voice socket, and ethernet socket? That would be a really tidy setup. Are the VDSL chipsets nowhere close to that level of efficiency yet?Simon Hewisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17322132066588851485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-91568826003825133892013-04-22T10:47:46.302+01:002013-04-22T10:47:46.302+01:00They were talking of normal plug in filters. I am ...They were talking of normal plug in filters. I am not sure this is any different to normal ADSL filters, but the faceplate means that they have filtered all extensions, etc. It is an area that could be end user wiring, yes. I suspect we'd insist on faceplate splitters or non-filter broadband only faceplates.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-9610145783065948862013-04-22T10:43:32.713+01:002013-04-22T10:43:32.713+01:00How are they handling the vdsl faceplate? Just ha...How are they handling the vdsl faceplate? Just having the EU screw it on? Tony Hoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485210895681350152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-26365562059452862302013-04-22T10:17:18.451+01:002013-04-22T10:17:18.451+01:00Makes perfect sense (watching all the FTTC cabs be...Makes perfect sense (watching all the FTTC cabs being installed around here at the moment - RFS date is 30/6)Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249692867869614591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-52477753799220161102013-04-22T10:11:32.882+01:002013-04-22T10:11:32.882+01:00I believe the main advantage is making a "one...I believe the main advantage is making a "one box" solution by using a VDSL router/firewall/wifi device.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-38953829039686217232013-04-22T09:52:54.611+01:002013-04-22T09:52:54.611+01:00What advantages (if any) are there if I use my own...What advantages (if any) are there if I use my own VDSL modem ? If there are, what are my options (sitting here with the BT supplied modem connected to AAISP) ?jhmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12210189327742410643noreply@blogger.com