tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post3089165296439924556..comments2024-03-18T12:28:29.902+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: How hard can it be?RevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-26981336242433524382012-04-07T22:05:45.616+01:002012-04-07T22:05:45.616+01:00It doesn't say that you have to block all porn...It doesn't say that you have to block all porn. Just block one porn image and you've done the job.Cecil Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16477035597238561739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-84181068040529091122012-04-05T13:37:43.202+01:002012-04-05T13:37:43.202+01:00Play along and price it up.
One employee can pro...Play along and price it up.<br /> <br />One employee can probably monitor 3 households of users. Business premises would need more, maybe one snooper per 5-10 users. You'll need to install snooping software at the user end to view https traffic, but that's OK. It might actually be easier to install a couple of cameras in each room in the country (so that no corners are missed) than snoop on every PC individually.<br /><br />Mobile phones would have to have to have user-end snooping, mobile camera teams could clock up too much mileage.<br /><br />Presumably the Gov will pay for the extra employees around the clock and for piping the data to you regional monitoring centres, as well as the setup costs. I can see it being put into practice for less than £400 per person per day, when done on an economic scale. Not everyone has access to the internet, so it's probably only 40 Million people that need round the clock monitoring. <br />With a bit of thought, you could do audio recordings of all conversations of the population too using the snooping software. That would be very handy, so you could offer it as an extra product for the Gov. I don't think anyone would mind, surely? It would be great for feedback on spin.<br /><br />Anyone who opts out or is under 18 would get no "internet" but DNS only. That way, only the kids can tunnel IP-over-DNS. Oh, wait. Err....hangonGBSDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812114820642672122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-38982789041194948592012-04-04T15:02:45.134+01:002012-04-04T15:02:45.134+01:00But if one consigns this to the too daft to ever h...But if one consigns this to the too daft to ever happen bin, then one day you suddenly find it quietly on the statute books.Andrew Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06264690412606264891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-49243375320834940312012-04-04T12:18:50.262+01:002012-04-04T12:18:50.262+01:00"unless you say you want porn, and are over 1..."unless you say you want porn, and are over 18"<br /><br />Two step solution;<br /><br />1.Require all customers to be over 18.<br />2. Offer the standard "unfiltered service" and a "filtered service". Standard unfiltered service states in terms that this includes porn, and everything else. Filtered service could just be, for example, web access only (via proxy) to a list of 100 popular safe websites, like, bbc, google. And HTTPS access is blocked, so forget online banking.<br /><br />If you want to have a bank, you must want the unfiltered service.Phil Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16898488623416029658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-42075201006316096872012-04-04T09:22:48.332+01:002012-04-04T09:22:48.332+01:00OTOH she was the chair of the Broadcasting Standar...OTOH she was the chair of the Broadcasting Standards Council then the Broadcasting Standards Commission in the '90s, so this sort of thing is old hat for her.<br /><br />And while Howe's unwhipped, the Bill follows the work of Tory MP Claire Perry. It's not the product of an independent (in the political sense) mind.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15776137300261556658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-41752599747958968612012-04-03T22:38:10.940+01:002012-04-03T22:38:10.940+01:00Of course, if inadvertent access to pornography wa...Of course, if inadvertent access to pornography was perceived as a "real" problem, and filtering at router level would fix it at a reasonable expense, there would be routers on the market that did it already.<br /><br />I can't find them on PC World's web site, suggesting that they're not a mass market product. I therefore have to ask; is this actually a problem? If so, can filters actually fix it? I know that the products needed exist, as you can get WebSense integrated with Juniper and Cisco routers, so why aren't they available at consumer pricing? Is it a lack of demand? Are modern parents clued up enough to supervise their children, thus avoiding the problem? Or is there deep demand for it, and thus a market niche for someone to fill?Simon Farnsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190608047563530091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-59939373556039735272012-04-03T17:56:17.884+01:002012-04-03T17:56:17.884+01:00OK, I have to 'fes up to this - I really did n...OK, I have to 'fes up to this - I really did not think of the "how *hard* can it be?" angle on this. And this is from someone that did see porn before the age of 18, so I am not that "damaged" by it...RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-10441961695292247702012-04-03T17:51:59.007+01:002012-04-03T17:51:59.007+01:00I'm sure if your glasses analogy was technical...I'm sure if your glasses analogy was technically possible the government would do it. It never ceases to amaze me what they are willing to do under the auspices of {anti-terror, think of the children, emotional issue n} and with a hackneyed "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" catch-all retort. <br /><br />Really, I find it bizarre that there is such an obsession with hiding and censoring sexuality; it doesn't hurt other people (exceptions, as always), is natural and extremely commonplace. Yet strong violence makes it into a 12A film without anyone batting an eyelid; 'harmful' acts that are exactly contrary to those for sexuality. Frankly, even 'violence' in films doesn't seem to do any harm to those who aren't already severely mentally unstable.<br /><br />I realise there are implications for everything that a particular child might see, but it seems absolutely absurd in the grand scheme of things, in addition to (presumably) providing a 'perv watch-list' for digestion by the authorities at some point. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure 'parenting' should be doing this job :). Anyway, as you point out, it is trivially circumventable by anyone with a basic ability to operate a browser and keyboard.<br /><br />Oh and a congratulation is due for your punnery: "How hard can it be" ... "pornographic content". Oh er! Very good, very good :o).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-54989250952148793462012-04-03T17:24:16.239+01:002012-04-03T17:24:16.239+01:00Well, the good Baroness Howe is not exactly "...Well, the good Baroness Howe is not exactly "in power". She is a cross-bencher and the nearest she is to power is as wife of the one-time Geoffrey Howe. In a way it is surprising that she is sponsoring such a bill, since she has a fairly liberal record if what is said at http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peer/baroness_howe_of_idlicote is accurate - for example she was strongly against id cards.hhmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11777775894007619861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-8143048767016263612012-04-03T17:14:08.446+01:002012-04-03T17:14:08.446+01:00Indeed - if anything it simply shows the stupidity...Indeed - if anything it simply shows the stupidity of those in power that they even think this is a vaguely sane proposal.<br /><br />I am also puzzled that it lacks any enforcement measures.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-57506174945479488022012-04-03T17:11:40.922+01:002012-04-03T17:11:40.922+01:00Don't waste time getting hot under the collar ...Don't waste time getting hot under the collar about this. It appears to be a private member's bill introduced into the House of Lords, so it is very unlikely that it would be passed. It will give a few of the noble lords an opportunity to make a fool of themselves and let off steam, but that's all. Start fretting when the home office starts talking about similar legislation.hhmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11777775894007619861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-10430615600331476122012-04-03T16:53:41.037+01:002012-04-03T16:53:41.037+01:00It also lacks any exception for business subscribe...It also lacks any exception for business subscribers. I bet many of my business customers are under 18. After all, we are only 15.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-30666168826296340092012-04-03T16:43:26.347+01:002012-04-03T16:43:26.347+01:00Movies are just lots of images presented quickly, ...Movies are just lots of images presented quickly, odd wording though as excludes written word, and audio.Andrew Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06264690412606264891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-13614291994537612322012-04-03T16:11:51.202+01:002012-04-03T16:11:51.202+01:00Every government has to slip in a few insane propo...Every government has to slip in a few insane proposals so that the merely unaccceptable things look almost reasonable. The political science term is "moving the Overton window".Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15776137300261556658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-7349095332004823992012-04-03T16:07:04.871+01:002012-04-03T16:07:04.871+01:00OK, so VoIP could contain fax data then...OK, so VoIP could contain fax data then...NABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15645758112897112622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-74414671979051053012012-04-03T16:02:03.535+01:002012-04-03T16:02:03.535+01:00So Movies are OK? :-)
Alsom some VOIP products su...So Movies are OK? :-)<br /><br />Alsom some VOIP products support sending an image of the caller & video chat... :-)Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15433960551945208728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-30515738716580810032012-04-03T15:58:45.634+01:002012-04-03T15:58:45.634+01:00Says imagesSays imagesRevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-30641564962453076892012-04-03T15:56:58.594+01:002012-04-03T15:56:58.594+01:00Presumably ISPs will also have to scan/filter VoIP...Presumably ISPs will also have to scan/filter VoIP traffic since that could have pornographic content.NABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15645758112897112622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-34037234665455827672012-04-03T15:39:35.597+01:002012-04-03T15:39:35.597+01:00For a second I thought I had missed something, but...For a second I thought I had missed something, but turns out it is its first reading with approval to print it.<br /><br />The filters look even more costly than the ISP level.<br /><br />Perhaps the way to do it is the have the filtered service actually be a whitelist system. With Google etc blocked as an ISP cannot control whether the browser user is using safe search in on/off or moderate level.<br /><br />What would go in the whitelist is difficult, as what is pornographic for one person is simply art for another.<br /><br />Can see a next step for parents, 'you are a bad parent as you opted for unfiltered internet in your home'.Andrew Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06264690412606264891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-61870326514091495522012-04-03T15:31:27.950+01:002012-04-03T15:31:27.950+01:00I get the feeling they just want us to turn off th...I get the feeling they just want us to turn off the internet and not use it at all.Fuzzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02901559831822343219noreply@blogger.com