tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post4413897387583609054..comments2024-03-29T11:00:39.953+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: More bad law (cookies)RevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-59021756915471298882011-06-02T22:23:44.750+01:002011-06-02T22:23:44.750+01:00Utterly agree with what has been said. We only us...Utterly agree with what has been said. We only use third party cookies to track where visitors to our site come from and which pages they visit. These are essential marketing tools that identify what advertising works best for us and which are the most popular pages. Without these, as a small company with a tiny advertising budget, we are put at an even bigger disadvantage against the global companies with far more financial resources. Our third party cookies do not track or store any information that identifies the visitor. So what's the problem?Chocolate Fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17133581007422532960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-81398930532710738632011-03-10T10:02:41.915+00:002011-03-10T10:02:41.915+00:00The whole thing is insane. Like may new new laws i...The whole thing is insane. Like may new new laws if taken literally it will end up being a huge pain for legitimate EU websites and will be completely ignored by those who wish to ignore it. Or they'll just host their website in the USA or china and bypass the issue entirely.<br /><br />It's bizare that so much attention is paid to cookies which 99% of the time are used for legitimate uses, and they do nothing about the much bigger abuses that existJohn Burtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04910401851064983255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-19422085749311724882011-03-09T19:02:46.823+00:002011-03-09T19:02:46.823+00:00I have checked. I have ten, yes *TEN* cookies from...I have checked. I have ten, yes *TEN* cookies from legislation.gov.uk<br /><br />I can confirm a specific tangible cost because that site has set<br />cookies. It means a few extra bytes of upload when I access the site.<br />That has a cost. It may be 0.00001p but it is a cost and I can work it<br />out an justify it and quantify it.<br /><br />That means the day this law comes in I can issue a county court claim<br />for those damages (rounded up to nearest whole penny, so 1p) plus court<br />fees, against the site operators of legislation.gov.uk. I should add<br />some charge for getting a 3rd party (my ISP) to packet dump and confirm<br />the presence of the cookie perhaps.<br /><br />That is proper cookies from the site requested so no grey areas. Not the<br />many other information stored but cookies. The very thing the<br />legislation aims to tackle. And a usage which asked for no consent from me.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-4104215192659432522011-03-09T14:47:01.131+00:002011-03-09T14:47:01.131+00:00Following up on your point about caches, what happ...Following up on your point about caches, what happens in corporate environments where web pages are routinely cached? Can a user opt out of local caching but permit cookies from an external site? If not, can I get the ICO to have a go at my employer?<br /><br />IMHO politicians and technology don't mix.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07625353381741797754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-10057148296471668992011-03-09T14:40:29.912+00:002011-03-09T14:40:29.912+00:00Following up on your point about caches, what happ...Following up on your point about caches, what happens in corporate environments where web pages are routinely cached? Can a user opt out of local caching but permit cookies from an external site? If not, can I get the ICO to have a go at my employer?<br /><br />IMHO politicians and technology don't mix.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07625353381741797754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-87239734014882340072011-03-09T13:08:59.495+00:002011-03-09T13:08:59.495+00:00OK, all day I have been unable to reply to my own ...OK, all day I have been unable to reply to my own blog posts, and the main page did not believe I was signed in.<br /><br />Why? Because I turned off "accept third party cookies" in firefox this morning.<br /><br />Just goes to show how much cookies, and even "third party cookies" are essential to normal web use. Forcing consent pop-ups will be a nightmare.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-4675512810792949472011-03-09T10:55:10.095+00:002011-03-09T10:55:10.095+00:00Re: Fuzzycat
While HTML5 does allow local storage...Re: Fuzzycat<br /><br />While HTML5 does allow local storage, once again that is the *browser* responding to the HTML and storing stuff, the web server itself is merely serving the data requested by the client, it is up to the browser what it does with it...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08491808572691231544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-31525150679516757162011-03-09T10:40:26.890+00:002011-03-09T10:40:26.890+00:00"For a start a web server does not store anyt..."For a start a web server does not store anything"<br /><br />HTML5 allows for local storage in a database - just sayin'Fuzzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02901559831822343219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-63676309047676082682011-03-09T10:07:50.293+00:002011-03-09T10:07:50.293+00:00I'm both conflicted and concerned by the new l...I'm both conflicted and concerned by the new law, which does indeed seem unworkable. On ISPreview.co.uk we need cookies to help see how our website is being used (standard visitor tracking) and to keep people logged-in between several systems.<br /><br />On some of these things we can consider the "login" process to be part of consent, but how on earth we deal with the other stuff I do not know. Luckily the UK is useless at enforcement in this field.<br /><br />I'm a privacy advocate myself and so can understand the problem, but the new law is far too general.MarkJ_ISPreview.co.ukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715455223843436247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-72752146236599753502011-03-09T09:56:15.815+00:002011-03-09T09:56:15.815+00:00I am bemused as to what a website is supposed to d...I am bemused as to what a website is supposed to do if the user chooses "No, don't store any cookies". As far as I an tell in that case the website would have to ask them the cookie question on every single page of the site as they browse around and as long as they keep saying no it would have to keep asking them.<br /><br />Why would it have to do that ? Because you wouldn't be able to set a cookie to indicate the user had opted out of cookies !Andy Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833824535530133666noreply@blogger.com