tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post4745579394842627778..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: Most complete?RevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-17526914729538863632013-11-10T12:26:20.417+00:002013-11-10T12:26:20.417+00:00This is one that's always bugged me as well, e...This is one that's always bugged me as well, especially as now they block even more sites. Plusnet don't (even though they're owned by BT), so technically offer a more complete broadband than BT Broadband. ASA should've stamped on this ages ago, I'd have expected the other ISPs to complain loudly.R.X.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05677380587567436117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-15907320801614252202012-10-26T17:11:21.519+01:002012-10-26T17:11:21.519+01:00Of course there's the glaring grammatical erro...Of course there's the glaring grammatical error: "complete" is an absolute - you can't have "more complete" or "most complete" any more than you can have "most ultimate"!<br /><br />So the discussion about what they include or don't is as meaningless as their copy - it's either complete or it isn't - and I think we agree that it isn't! :-)<br /><br />Cheers, Howard<br />HDRWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09148633895717850549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-53248956482772447912012-10-26T14:54:22.590+01:002012-10-26T14:54:22.590+01:00I remember when I started on the Internet, I went ...I remember when I started on the Internet, I went for Demon as they offered in my eyes, the "most complete internet package". Namely static IP, USENET news feed, unrestricted access (bandwidth, ports, no filtering), SMTP pushing of email, POP3, SMTP outbound servers, NTP time servers: I doubt BT offer half of these even now (I know Demon have dropped most of them).<br /><br />As a Business BT Infinity customer, I keep seeing BT's http://www.ipv6.bt.com/ site which said (they appear to have taken it down), "IPv6 is not an option": they are right there... Everytime I enquire, they say it's not available and I don't need it yet... But I do... (only another 9 months on the contract though).Richy Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11328244621821820978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-67725630932340071402012-10-26T11:56:11.629+01:002012-10-26T11:56:11.629+01:00Agree with you "Internet access" is the ...Agree with you "Internet access" is the capacity to transfer IP packed from my router to the target/originating IP address.<br />So the most complete internet package is the one most able to fullfil those requirements.<br />So it has to support the largest range of protocol (not just TCP/IPv4 and UDP/IPv4), so anything not supporting IPv6 doesn't allow me to access 100% of the internet (ok, in real term impact is pretty limited).<br />And do it in a "comlete" form, so with 0% packet loss.... or at least with the least packet lossBrexit factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499046210014193575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-69117748323527885422012-10-26T09:30:49.856+01:002012-10-26T09:30:49.856+01:00Agreed, their "internet access" is way l...Agreed, their "internet access" is way less complete. But if you read "broadband package" as "broadband plus services provided over broadband" then they have a point.<br /><br />(Not defending BT, I still think it's shameful they don't provide IPv6 in 2012)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-80519407685520626112012-10-26T08:10:34.216+01:002012-10-26T08:10:34.216+01:00Indeed, which is why I kind of said I am not sure ...Indeed, which is why I kind of said I am not sure what it means. They do say "broadband package", so one would expect anything over and above "broadband" to not count in the completeness of the "broadband package". But maybe ASA, etc, take a different view. IMHO key things like not providing IPv6, and blocking access to some web sites, makes their "internet access" way less complete than other providers.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-49522499169447890782012-10-26T07:45:20.535+01:002012-10-26T07:45:20.535+01:00Isn't there some wiggle room on "package&...Isn't there some wiggle room on "package" (Fnarr...)<br /><br />As in, a "package" implies more than just a simple moving IP packets service. So they can say they offer TV over their broadband and that's part of the "package"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-46263726302009700562012-10-25T22:04:27.875+01:002012-10-25T22:04:27.875+01:00so maybe 'most complete' means 'most s...so maybe 'most complete' means 'most sophisticated filtering and monitoring services as mandated by the Government and courts'Phil Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16898488623416029658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-11285589237279674262012-10-25T17:57:09.241+01:002012-10-25T17:57:09.241+01:00Hang on, BT block the pirate bay. Any other ISP th...Hang on, BT block the pirate bay. Any other ISP that does not has a "more complete" service. They are on to a loser here.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-17879730459991945932012-10-25T17:55:22.434+01:002012-10-25T17:55:22.434+01:00Oooh, we could do that as well... HmmmOooh, we could do that as well... HmmmRevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-48914262611023665572012-10-25T17:53:50.893+01:002012-10-25T17:53:50.893+01:00So, main A&A page now says:-
Unlike some prov...So, main A&A page now says:-<br /><br />Unlike some providers offering the most complete broadband package, we actually include not only the old IPv4 protocol but also the current version IPv6, allowing access to all of the Internet, not just the older bits.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-31065678597601999552012-10-25T17:51:55.017+01:002012-10-25T17:51:55.017+01:00Perhaps worth following the process on http://www....Perhaps worth following the process on http://www.asa.org.uk/Industry-advertisers/Industry-Make-a-complaint.aspx and sending a letter by recorded delivery to BT as a competitor questioning their claim - by reading that page it suggests they should respond to you otherwise the ASA will look unfavourably on them...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535977952530779134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-91444692719618787012012-10-25T17:40:38.930+01:002012-10-25T17:40:38.930+01:00Well there are organisations (churches) that make ...Well there are organisations (churches) that make absolute and unambiguous statements along those lines, with no evidence, so it would surely be quite valid, legally, for us to make the same type of claims?RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-10511315077281358202012-10-25T17:38:31.589+01:002012-10-25T17:38:31.589+01:00Do it!Do it!1https://www.blogger.com/profile/04266030296611845502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-47836893830743411032012-10-25T17:38:31.228+01:002012-10-25T17:38:31.228+01:00Well, I have sent one in, as a member of the publi...Well, I have sent one in, as a member of the public, saying my ISP does IPv6 and BT don't, so how are they most complete.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-33096546303005214272012-10-25T17:34:47.954+01:002012-10-25T17:34:47.954+01:00Perhaps a page from the book of other groups who c...Perhaps a page from the book of other groups who can make wild claims - free place in Heaven with every new install?<br />:-)RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-62736719704454548742012-10-25T17:33:03.670+01:002012-10-25T17:33:03.670+01:00ASA (Advertising Standards Agency):
http://www.asa...ASA (Advertising Standards Agency):<br />http://www.asa.org.uk/<br /><br />Pretty useless responses to complaints that I have submitted about misleading adverts on facebook though.1https://www.blogger.com/profile/04266030296611845502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-23161241061621637132012-10-25T17:29:35.619+01:002012-10-25T17:29:35.619+01:00The trick to marketing is to make a claim that inc...The trick to marketing is to make a claim that includes vague terms such that they cannot be disputed.<br /><br />Like "No other painkiller is stronger (without prescription)"<br /><br />Maybe if you can't beat them, join them, though that requires doing some actual advertising :/<br /><br />You might as well do an ad saying "No other broadband provider can deliver a faster service [on your existing line]"<br /><br /><br />Or come up with some bold claims like "1000% higher customer satisfaction than BT" or "Reaches more of the Internet than any other major ISP"<br /><br />Phil Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16898488623416029658noreply@blogger.com