tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post5924998238112649438..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: Body cams are weird #GDPRRevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-9166849622586154512019-08-10T20:12:29.724+01:002019-08-10T20:12:29.724+01:00> I am sure I read that the Police cannot force...> I am sure I read that the Police cannot force me to offer up the footage if it is to the detriment of my position/stance on the matter<br /><br />That seems highly questionable. See, for example, s19 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (and "premises" includes any vehicle): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/19Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-39962750406786651972019-08-10T19:52:22.422+01:002019-08-10T19:52:22.422+01:00> when you are out in the public you can photog...> when you are out in the public you can photograph who you want<br /><br />And, in doing so, depending on your purpose, you may be subject to data protection law.<br /><br />So not a case of stopping you from doing it, or preventing you from doing it, but setting the regulatory environment in which you do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-28597605436437242472019-08-09T17:40:55.490+01:002019-08-09T17:40:55.490+01:00I have several times been asked by the police to u...<br />I have several times been asked by the police to upload dashcam footage to Youtube, because they couldn't view the video I linked them to via a URL. They didn't ask me to remove it afterwards...<br /><br />> Uknown said:<br /><br />"I think this is a common misconception. If it was the case you would have no issue with me following you around videoing you going about your business."<br /><br />It's not, but what you are describing would come under harassment.<br /><br />The public photographing issue is discussed frequently on photography forums, and when you are out in the public you can photograph who you want. Annoying street photographers do it all the time. You can even photograph the outside of buildings and cinema films being shot in the street, despite what their agitated security guards may say.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14396063538018559775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-87668288932206228732019-08-09T15:49:43.116+01:002019-08-09T15:49:43.116+01:00I don't think your argument of "you turn ...I don't think your argument of "you turn your cameras off and I'll turn mine off" works at all, because you are entering someone's private property. By doing so you've also implicitly accepted you'll be captured on CCTV footage (assuming this is some sort of store which will have the inevitable warnings). All that would happen is you'd be asked to leave the store, and you'd probably fall afoul of privacy laws since you're recording in someone's property without permission where they have the reasonable expectation of being able to control who gets filmed and when.<br /><br />Also wearing a body cam in that context is weird. The store has CCTV to reduce theft, obviously. The police have bodycams as evidence of what happened at a scene, and evidence that they did or did not engage in misconduct - these are extremely useful reasons to wear a bodycam. If someone is going to assault you then they'd just smash the camera as well, and what sort of behaviours would you be up to if you needed video evidence? So it's not a valid comparison.<br /><br />You make some good points on the general legislation, but the above just comes across as being extremely socially awkward and oblivious.Ferrocene Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16369912816749718336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-88333981245470146602019-08-09T12:43:23.363+01:002019-08-09T12:43:23.363+01:00And this is one of the things I miss about Switzer...And this is one of the things I miss about Switzerland - the expectation that everyone is honest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-44996948807892458382019-08-09T11:18:50.105+01:002019-08-09T11:18:50.105+01:00>My understanding is that because I am on publi...>My understanding is that because I am on public roads and therefore in a public place I can photograph or video record anything I want.<br /><br />I think this is a common misconception. If it was the case you would have no issue with me following you around videoing you going about your business. People have a right to privacy even in a public place, just less so. It is difficult to define where the line between acceptability and stalking occurs.<br /><br />Good luck with try to piece together all the parts of conflicting laws and legislation though.<br /><br />I would imagine though that the general public would have no right to record in Tesco's for example or any other private property.<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18317018757475037909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-39504974867980610772019-08-09T08:03:39.277+01:002019-08-09T08:03:39.277+01:00Someone did an 'art project' based on this...Someone did an 'art project' based on this exact concept, that we're surrounded by CCTV and other cameras - so why should one guy with a camera in your face you uncomfortable:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5ZVPwP7bgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-46461306901804457842019-08-09T06:51:34.577+01:002019-08-09T06:51:34.577+01:00Hm, when I first installed home CCTV there was a r...Hm, when I first installed home CCTV there was a requirement to register on the ICOs public register if filming outside your property, which I did and paid the fee.<br /><br />Then this year when by registration came to an end the ICO emailed me to say there was no longer a need to register for this purpose, so I've now just left it.rtho782https://www.blogger.com/profile/02052870855136709228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-59958101700249780512019-08-08T21:13:09.607+01:002019-08-08T21:13:09.607+01:00I am driving 25,000 to 30,000 miles per year in th...I am driving 25,000 to 30,000 miles per year in the UK, and a fair proportion of it in congested London. So I have dashcams, both front and rear, in my car both recording in full HD.<br /><br />My understanding is that because I am on public roads and therefore in a public place I can photograph or video record anything I want.<br /><br />On private land, of course, I have to abide by the landowner's rules. Although in practice the only place I find these landowner's rules enforced is in a car dealership where they want the cameras turned off in order to ensure I have no evidence of their actions and their bad work / non-work. They claim it is for privacy of their workforce. I see no need for their worker to do anything to my car in private.<br /><br />I also understand, although I cannot remember where I saw this and I also do not know how accurate this is, that if I am involved in some incident then I can choose whether to retain and offer up the dashcam footage as evidence in some criminal or civil matter.<br /><br />Obviously if that position is true then I can choose to offer it or not as suits me to pursue or to defend my position on the incident.<br /><br />But I am sure I read that the Police cannot force me to offer up the footage if it is to the detriment of my position/stance on the matter.<br /><br />I also understand that to drive across the border into Switzerland with dashcams recording is illegal due to Swiss privacy laws. Talking with a highly tech-savvy Swiss resident, he had never heard of the concept of dashcams and couldn't see the need/desire for them.<br /><br />Would be interesting to know more on all this.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com