tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post7384640512110072012..comments2024-03-28T09:19:27.451+00:00Comments on RevK<sup>®</sup>'s ramblings: CanariesRevKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-23037376834543974162017-12-11T05:06:15.529+00:002017-12-11T05:06:15.529+00:00Sorry Adrian, I've been misunderstanding all a...Sorry Adrian, I've been misunderstanding all along. I thought you were asking for ideas on how best to remove the canary, if it was triggered, so as to avoid an allegation of breaking a gagging order, hence my earlier replies re legal advice, etc. You're talking about just getting rid to avoid all potential problems which I get now.<br /><br />I don't see a problem with simply announcing now that you're happy to state that as of now A&A still has no interception orders and no black boxes, but that due to the legal minefield of managing a canary you've decided to abandon it with immediate effect, ahead of any potential orders that could come in the future. ** If asked about orders or black boxes in future you may or may not confirm that A&A still has none **<br /><br />I don't see how that could generate any risk. If asked in the future, you have discretion to confirm still no orders or black boxes (which would reveal you have none) but you might also choose to not confirm, which reveals nothing since you've already said in this announcement that you might choose to not confirm.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-2624512933369078232017-12-10T06:35:45.880+00:002017-12-10T06:35:45.880+00:00Quite, the idea is simple “you cannot be compelled...Quite, the idea is simple “you cannot be compelled to lie” but sadly the practice is simple too “you are not compelled to lie, but you can be compelled to go to jail”.<br /><br />Hence my discussion on dismantling the canary.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-39996041921194361292017-12-09T20:11:36.191+00:002017-12-09T20:11:36.191+00:00Interesting article from Schneier where he suggest...Interesting article from Schneier where he suggests that warrant canaries are legal flimflam and will be ineffective and frowned on by courts. If that's true it would be akin to those "Freemen on the land" lot who believe they can use the same pseudolegal woo tactics to avoid paying road tax, etc, and always end up losing.<br /><br />Perhaps it would be safer to formally abandon yours now in case you end up in a position later on where doing so would breach an order.<br /><br />https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/australia_outla.htmlChrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-22806639246698076312017-12-09T19:38:07.842+00:002017-12-09T19:38:07.842+00:00So you are condemned to keep your beard as long as...So you are condemned to keep your beard as long as possible... please don't shave (but if you do, upload your new face everywhere, we all want to know/see).Brexit factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499046210014193575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-86101528267565900322017-12-09T19:18:59.341+00:002017-12-09T19:18:59.341+00:00Yes, if I can make it so that proving I instigated...Yes, if I can make it so that proving I instigated the canary breach is really hard, maybe. But that is probably not that hard in most cases with a bit of work.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-54997152639040294892017-12-09T19:16:26.678+00:002017-12-09T19:16:26.678+00:00It’s a very curious problem. If you had a regula...It’s a very curious problem. If you had a regular pint with a friend and you cancelled for no reason it would be the sign to update a foreign canary. Obviously the whole arrangement would need to be secret. You could of course cancel with a reason to not disturb the canary. But a txt to say sorry I can’t make tonight would be enough to trigger the message. David Abbishawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656602956866538037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-69027142603070800592017-12-09T19:05:44.110+00:002017-12-09T19:05:44.110+00:00Only if asked to lie :-) But seriously, I would tr...Only if asked to lie :-) But seriously, I would try and ensure I never lie. If a law can compel that I have to consider moving to a saner country.RevKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369263214193333422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-79269718487006750162017-12-09T19:03:44.762+00:002017-12-09T19:03:44.762+00:00Oh and please shave the beard. Lol. Oh and please shave the beard. Lol. David Abbishawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656602956866538037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3993498847203183398.post-54721958781988375242017-12-09T19:03:26.912+00:002017-12-09T19:03:26.912+00:00So. Would you lie if asked out right or just not r...So. Would you lie if asked out right or just not respond? David Abbishawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656602956866538037noreply@blogger.com