Showing posts with label CLOCK. Show all posts
Showing posts with label CLOCK. Show all posts

2024-07-30

12:60

I understand a clock face showing 12 at the top and numbers around 1 to 11, and then back to 12.

As a programmer, the issue of starting counting from zero or one is a massive issue.

But for time of day, we understand the clock goes 11:59, 12:00, 12:01, and that 12:00 is both midnight (and ongoing minute) and midday (and ongoing minute). I won't even start on the concept of "pre" and "post" meridiem and what 12:00 exactly means.

But what has always puzzled me is the use of minute marks that include a "60" at the top. I have always considered minutes as 00 to 59. But clearly some old clock faces considered that minutes, like hours, got 1 to 60, or 60, 1, to 59.

This leads me to wonder. Does the time, for those that created and used such clock faces, go (at around midday) :-

  • 11:59
  • 11:60 (midday)
  • 12:01

Or does it go

  • 11:59
  • 12:60 (midday)
  • 12:01

And then I wonder on seconds, using the same logic?

  • 11:59:59
  • 11:59:60 (midday)
  • 11:60:01
  • ...
  • 11:60:59
  • 11:60:60 (one minute after midday)
  • 12:01:01
  • 12:01:02

Or what?

Does anyone know what the actual logic was historically for the use of "60" as a minute, and why "60" was ever on a clock face?

And I know, leap seconds 23:59:60 exist, but that is a different matter!

2020-01-01

0

It is funny how we like to see numbers clock over, whether a simple anniversary or birthday, or the odometer on a car, or even years.

Until the year 2000 I do not recall anyone having any issue with the common way decades were numbered. The '20s were 1920-1929 (inclusive), and so on. No issue, no doubt, no confusion. Sadly the year 2000, being a change of millennium, caused many to say "technically the new millennium does not start until 2001 as there was no year 0". This is one rare cases where I err aware from "technically correct" for a change, and even question if it is technically correct. The years are projected back from a more recently invented calendar and indeed go from 1BC to 1AD in one calendar. So on that basis, yes, a millennium starting at the start of 1AD means a new one in 2001. But why consider the start 1AD not 1BC? All evidence suggests that was not when Jesus was born, if he existed, so you should probably consider the third millennium starting maybe spring 2004 [citation needed]. You are picking an arbitrary start point - why?

However, it depends which calendar you pick obviously. We use the Gregorian calendar, but other calendars (e.g. astronomical) do have a year 0 and otherwise align with the Gregorian calendar (for current years). So one can be "technically correct" and still have a new millennium starting at the start of 2000 without any difficulty.

My point all along was that the only reason to consider the change of millennium as "special" in any way is the base 10 numbering that we use, and that a clocking round of 1000 years happens very rarely (oddly enough, every 1000 years), and so the only logical point to consider "special" is when the year number "clocks round" 1999 to 2000. If you are not doing it then, then why even consider 1000 special, why not consider multiples of 324.6 years as "special"?

I had thought this was all old news, but, to my surprise, I see people even now on social media saying the next decade does not start until 2021 as "there wasn't a year 0", continuing this nonsense. Sorry, but (Gregorian) decades only make sense as "special" if you consider them to be the years ending 0 to 9 (inclusive), end of story. So if anyone says otherwise just say you are using the astronomical calendar which does have a year 0, and see how they cope with that. Good luck.

But this may also help (thanks to xkcd)


P.S. this was raging on twitter later in the day on the 1st, and someone even posted that "At age 21 you start your third decade", LOL. No, 1st is 0-9, 2nd is 10-19, and 3rd is 20-29. Anyway, for those insisting "it" starts in 2021, point out that what "it" is, in that case, is "the 203rd decade of the Gregorian calendar" and not "the '20s". The '20s start in 2020, end of story.

P.P.S. a reminder that it is '20s, and not 20's, unless you are using a possessive, like "The '20's greatest hits".



Anyway, on a more amusing note, it seems Bulb may have finally fixed my account so I can submit a meter reading (they have been messed up since I signed up for no apparent reason, and just emailed me to say fixed). Yay, so a meter reading is needed.

I was about to submit one, on 31st Dec, and noticed it was close... very close...

This has resulted in my spending many hours on the 31st Dec, turning on extra high power kit in the house for a while, and even running the tumble drier, wasting many pence worth of electricity in order to get this picture (well, maybe not wasting as it means gas heating needs less power as house is warmer)...


It is a thing of beauty, is it not?

To my surprise Bulb had no problem with my submitting the meter reading of 00000.

All the "there was not a year 0" people would say I should not consider my meter to have rolled over until 00003 (or whatever it was when first installed).



There is one clock I'd rather not reach 0 though :-


QR abuse...

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