Showing posts with label UART. Show all posts
Showing posts with label UART. Show all posts

2023-06-29

CH340X DTR/TNOW with ESP8266/ESP32 BOOT and RESET

The CH340X is a small chip that does USB UART, and is part of a family of CH340 chips in various sizes. A UART can need few or many pins, and they do a really small one that is just Rx, Tx and RTS pins, which is the minimum you would want. But they also do a version specially aimed at the needs of small processors like the ESP to handle boot mode.


BOOT and RESET

Both ESP8266 and ESP32 (and many other processors) have a BOOT and RESET input, well, actually GPIO0 and EN.

You need these to program and debug. To program you have to set BOOT MODE, (which is GPIO0 pulled low) and pulse RESET (EN low and then high). For debug, you want no BOOT or RESET, or maybe RESET to restart the processor, but not BOOT mode (GPIO0 staying high).

What is weird is the various ESP based modules out there. I have seen complicated FET based links of RTS and DTR from a UART linked to GPIO0 and EN, and some with R/C combinations linked to RST and GPIO0. I think the logic here is for more traditional use of DTR and RTS, i.e. usually one has RTS active the whole time, so an R/C allows RTS to be activated (low) but EN to pulse low and back high. Similarly linking the use of DTR and RTS to allow a normal UART operation not to be BOOT MODE.

However, the esptool and idf.py as part of the ESP IDF, and even the tasmotizer tool and web page all treat DTR as BOOT MODE and RTS as RESET directly.

You can connect DTR directly to GPIO0 and RTS directly to EN, and it works perfectly!

What is even more weird is the number of modules you see with actual push buttons for BOOT and RESET on the board, which costs money to fit, even though they have a USB UART.

I can only assume some legacy designs and copying reference designs and so on.

All my designs connect DTR to GPIO0 and RST to EN, and work perfectly. Yay.

CH340X DTR

The CH340X has Tx and Rx and also CTS (input) and DTR/TNOW (output).

The TNOW is multi function though, the datasheet says :-

5.3. DTR and multi-mode MCU download

For CH340X, 6# Pin defaults to TNOW, weak pull-up during power-on or reset, output TNOW during normal operation used for half-duplex transceiver switchover. By connecting an external resistor with 6# pin, TNOW can be switch to DTR#, the two options are as follows:

1 If the 4.7KΩ pull-down resistor is connected to GND with the 6# pin, it will enter the open source DTR enhanced mode, and the 6# pin will automatically switch to the open source driven DTR# pin , which is used to connect the boot mode pin of MCU. The default DTR # is not output and is kept low by the external resistor, but the DTR# pin can be set to output high level or not output by the application program, which is used for multi-mode MCU download with DTR# default low level.

2 If a 4.7KΩ resistor is connected between the 6# pin and the 5# pin, it will enter the push-pull DTR enhanced mode, and the 6# pin will automatically switch to the push-pull driven DTR# for connecting to

the control pin of the MCU. The application program sets the DTR# pin to output high or low level for multi-mode MCU download with DTR# default high level.

This is excellent, and makes it clear they have considered the use of DTR as a BOOT MODE for processors. I have not tested the DTR to GND via 4k7 - I think they are saying it inverts, i.e. DTR drives high. I may be wrong.

But the second mode, DTR to CTS via 4k7, I have tested. Well, actually I misread / assumed 4k7 to 3.3V, and that does not work, but when 4k7 to CTS it works, and drives the pin as DTR allowing direct connect to GPIO0 yay

Why a 4k7?

But I am puzzled. I understand the 4k7 to GND, as it pulls down, and allows active drive high as needed. But why 4k7 to CTS.

CTS is an input, so the only use of the link is to allow the CH340 to confirm the connection from DTR/TNOW (output) to CTS (input). Indeed, it pulses that output low a few milliseconds after startup, presumably to test it is connected to CTS.

The thing that puzzles me is why the 4k7. With CTS as an input it is quite safe and valid to connect DTR directly to CTS, output to input. And, as you would expect, doing that causes the CH340X to switch in to DTR output mode.

I suppose one could argue that you may want to make use of CTS as well, and the 4k7 allows that even if DTR is outputting something different. Except that does not work. If you are using CTS, that means you have an active signal feeding CTS from somewhere. If that is the case, the test of DTR to CTS does not work (I tried it!) as CTS will not see the signal from DTR/TNOW via the 4k7. So the 4k7 does not allow that. Indeed, the only use may be if you have something driving CTS which does not drive it at power up - that would be a rather special arrangement and somewhat unlikely. That said, I suppose if CTS was a general purpose GPIO from a CPU which starts as floating/input, it could make sense and allow CTS to be signalled from the CPU.

So I'd expect the data sheet to say just link DTR to CTS and not use CTS, or use 4k7 if CTS is floating at power up and needs to be used.

Anyway I have done that (just linked DTR to CTS), and it works nicely.

USB-A tracks to CH340X

There is a snag though - using DTR to drive GPIO0 works, but on my Shelly board it is drive GPIO0 that is connected internally in the board, with some pull something, and an LED, and so on. So the CH340 might "see" the pull down on it when it starts perhaps. So I have to drive through a buffer in that case. Thankfully that is basically the only case, as normally it just goes directly to GPIO0 on the connected ESP module.

2023-06-16

To USB or not to USB, that is the question!

I have done quite a lot of small boards now, as I have blogged at various points.

It has helped me build up my skills in circuit and PCB design, and over time I have moved to different approaches for things as I have learned. Some things driven by practical usage, some by cost, some by simplicity.

At present I am working on ESP32 based boards, and I may yet move on to ESP32-S2 or ESP32-S3, at least one of which does some direct USB, but for now, for ESP32, I need serial connection for programming and debug. The ESP32 are especially appealing in the form of the ESP32-PICO-MINI-02 module which has extra flash and RAM which is invaluable.

I have "standardised" on a USB-C connector for my boards, where needed, for simple power. That is most boards, e.g. this LED strip controller.

It uses USB-C for the 5V supply for the LED strip, and via 3.3V regulator for the ESP32.

In many designs, I have included an FT231XQ USB UART in the design, allowing not just power, but programming and debug via the USB-C connector. This works really well. It makes it very simple to develop on. I have even learned my lesson with diodes on boards which can also have 12V DC, and USB connecting both at the same time :-)

But the FT231XQ is not a cheap part, and not a readily available part (a lot of parts are now available after COVID, but some still in very short supply). So I have been making even these boards have an alternative for when the FT231XQ cannot be fitted.

Indeed, I have actually started making boards which have no FT231XQ at all, even if they have a USB-C socket for power (like the one shown above).

This means I need some sort of header. One of the reasons I went with the UART in the first place is any sort of sensible header connector would take as much board space as the UART chip, and add cost or time, especially if a through hole connector.

But, the way Shelly do it has come to the rescue. They use a small 1/10" 5 pin header (and a 1/20th" 7 pin header) - a socket on the board, and I made this to work with them. These are useful if you are wanting to reprogram Shelly with say tasmota, or for any projects with similar devices. See Amazon.

It has header pins for the 5 and 7 way connectors. The shelly has a proper socket for these.

However, I can simply make the board have holes, instead of a proper "header", like the 5 holes on this boards.

I can simply push the pins in the holes, and hold them whilst programming. Indeed, if I can get the holes just right they will fit firmly enough not to need holding and so can be used for debug as well. It is cheap - holes don't really cost anything. It does not take a lot of space, especially as it can (like that example) be under another connector even.

I am working on slight variations of the holes, to try and make a firm fit to the square pins. The latest is slotted holes. In practice this means each set of boards I get has a slight improvement and I try it. The above design had holes slightly too small - some boards needed to be "held" whilst programming (which is not really a problem, but adds some time). This is my latest design for them.

So it is a question of whether I bother with a UART on future boards. Using USB-C for power is a good idea for a lot of boards - the "Faikin" being one of the few cases where that is not sensible as it fits and existing connector with power. If I move to ESP32-S3 for example, I'll see if that can do USB sensibly directly, but I want a module like the ESP32-PICO-MINI-02 really - not sure if there is one yet.

Oh, and as you may notice, I have adopted a policy of GPIO numbers on silkscreen - it really is damn useful when you have so many generations of so many PCBs lying around. I don't do a lot of silk screen - i.e. no R1, R2, etc, but I have to do some to stop JLCPCB asking questions about pin 1. But GPIOs is invaluable. And now KiCad allows proper fonts it is slightly more fun (the above has "faikin.revk.uk" in xkcd script, err, because I can).

Update: As suggested (and as per above image) I have now gone for staggered pins, to see how that goes.

Update: The silk screen does not work that small, so going for something simpler...

Update: I am also, as someone suggested, trying a CH340X which is physically a similar size for the FT231XQ but a lot cheaper and simper to wire up.

Superimposed CH340X (green) on FT231XQ

Design for USB-A ESP32-PICO-MINI-02 with RGB LED and CH340X

Update: Fuck sake, read the data sheet. 4k7 from CTR to DTR/TNOW is needed, not 4k7 from 3V3 to DTR/TNOW. Sadly meant some boards could not even be reworked. But was able to test this for future boards.

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